I too have a P89. A round in the chamber | Glock Pro Forums Apparently the last time it worked. In practice? Jordan Buck is an outdoor writer, a man of faith, and a family man. Glocks have only mode of carry once you chamber a round. An unchambered gun is a dangerous, useless-to-you half measure. Ok, maybe youre taking off your holster and you drop the whole dang thing on the floor. Back in the old days of guns, they didn't really have any safety at all. 3-5 Rifle Gun Safe, Gun Safes for Home Rifle and Pistols, Quick Access PS: I have never had an ND with my EDC G23 chamber loaded these past 22 years. Ho Hum, Well written BTW.. Glocks have a 5.5lbs trigger pull so I doubt it will discharge from your love handle rubbing on it. I wouldnt have or carry any with a non hot pipe, but thats just me. Not thinking human beings. Hes squirmy and all over the place. They have defense of the State, of their comrades, or of other citizens. Some of these points were deliberately avoided for reasons Ill get into. lol 15 in the clip one in the pipe. Agreed. Even pistols with no manual safety, like this Glock, are safe to carry with a round chambered. Big Bill: First, mad would need to learn what punctuation is for. I got two strikers, finally, couple years ago, a 9mm and a 40. Being a klutz is one thing. The firearm entered Austrian military and police service by 1982 after becoming the top performer in reliability and safety tests.. Glock pistols have become the company's most profitable line of products, and have been supplied to . Glockster20. Uberti, for instance, makes some models with a transfer bar safety and also a few with a floating firing pin, which drops below the channel to the primer when the hammer is fully forward and can thus be carried fully loaded. That chit will get you *illed in a real shtf. sounds like bullshat urban legend.. One observation concerning all the keyboard commandos here they seem to make the assumption that people primarily carry guns in preparation for a gunfight, and this is not always true. Revolvers with their heavy double action trigger pulls are perfectly safe to carry with a round in the . I think the Glock leg argument is kinda straying off into another argument, that could be a good idea for its own article. This site is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. Running this way I am even more vigilant about how I handle the gun. I notice that you had to go look it up though. Youll likely only be in one or two gunfights at most, in an entire lifetime. Whats the controversy? All except for that one guy above who thinks muscle memory means hell never make a mistake, ever. Torture tests are silly and prove nothing about a gun. Are Glocks safe to carry chambered? - Quora Because there are a lot of areas where carrying a firearm will bite you if you cant get it right. Is a cheap one as good as a safe from, say, a Liberty or Rhino? You can get a lockbox for $50 or less from Amazon or from most hardware stores. Yeah, me too. Does anyone ride the hammer down on their gun with a LIVE ROUND in the chamber? Yes, you're being silly. This Glock pistol does have a super-slim . Not a hard and fast rule. The M&P Shield is a popular and commonplace pistol for concealed carry. Those who defend not carrying a round in the chamber preach about it's safety. A GLOCK is a striker fired pistol with about a 5.5-pound OEM trigger pull that has incorporated into the trigger--in the form of a lever--and when it is engaged blocks the trigger from moving rearward. I carry a 5 shot .357 magnum revolver a good deal of the time. I dont have to hit a bypass cause its cocked, or turn off a safety, just pump and fire. Should I Carry With One in The Chamber? - Concealed Carry Inc In fact, when applying for a gun permit in Israel, self-defense is not an acceptable reason to get a gun. Sound off in the comments! Do not ever suggest they change a true classic. I hope to later, but I just moved to a state that allows it, and our first child just turned one. Obviously carrying concealed greatly reduces the odds of your gun being taken, but that doesnt mean that precautions arent in order. See? My Glock 23 is fully loaded, and no problems at all, even with the 3.5 connector in it that lightens the trigger pull a bit. Well, except for that ad hominem attack, anyway. If something else provides that energy to the pin, the primer wont care whether its in a chamber or not. What Glock Is Most Used By Law Enforcement; Who Makes The Glock 22 There is no way to put a round in the chamber without leaving the striker cocked, and there is no safety. You may need your weak side arm to hold an attacker at bay while you draw, etc. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Second Amendment to the US Constitution, "Get yourself a Glock and lose that nickel plated sissy pistol." Said every one of the people who later came to suffer from glock leg. Often, its holstering the gun into a holster that compromised by clothing. As a top performer in reliability and safety tests, it quickly entered into the Austrian military and police service. You just have to scroll down to it. gun owner would not have a clue on how the gun actually worked or how dangerous it was to handle and carry because what a Moron cannot see a Moron does not fear. In the 1930's, W.E. Nov 11, 2010 (Edited) Dingus said: To gain confidence, do this: Take your G19 and holster to the range. Some might even have second strike capability, which is the real holy grail. I carry all my guns chambered. It will catch on and you will be a rock star! Long story short, I let it be known that I thought carrying with an empty chamber is a mistake. Does the Mossad or other Israeli special services Israeli carry? Those who scream that everybody who doesnt think exactly like them, pick the same options as them, etc., are dumb for not recognizing that they are perfection itself, are just more of the loads of SJW types out for attention by putting everything and everybody down, to make themselves feel a bit better about not having a life. Trigger Safety. But that would mean giving up my beloved 1911! These are: 1. Or ya know, apply the tried by 12 or carried by 6 rule. Is A Glock Safe To Carry Chambered - Todd Lyons Of course an ND is user error, but why is the gun designed to make that error likely? Pray the opponent was just carrying a Taser and not a knife. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Glock and carrying with chambered round | SIG Talk So when do you get to be a klutz if youve taken the time to train those reactions until as the experts say you not only get it right, you cant get it wrong? silly? Most 1911s come with a half cock safety, but again, you would have to ensure it was engaged properly and its prone to breakage. I am lacking a rapier and main gauche though so maybe not ready for the six fingered man. Why would you do that more in a Glock than in *any other firearm*? Time waits for no man, and neither do bad guys. Risk vs benefit should ALWAYS be a part of this decision. Of course, I do concede you point, it just that it brought Monty Python to mind and I improvised from there. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. On Firefox for Windows, it just goes to the top of the page, but it will still get the newest comments. A typing error, or wishful thinking? They have defense of the State, of their comrades, or of other citizens.. Hm. Ive dropped a loaded Glock once, actually the only pistol Ive ever dropped in my life. The trick is training is to do the right thing; doing the wrong thing is still training, just training the do the wrong thing. Recently retired the PPK in favor of a Sig P365. 3.Is it Safed to Carry a Glock With one in the Chamber - Gun Tradition. Widen your horizons. Just the easier reloading of the old Ruger 3 screw models (or any other regular types like the Colt SAA) vs the new ones, makes up for that one extra round, at least IMO. Nobody whos ever advocated carrying with an empty chamber has ever explained how they were going to fight off two assailants AND chamber a round at the same time. . I appendix carry my 42 chambered, the holster covers the trigger so I feel safe carrying this way, I been carrying this way for a while without issue. Try it. Carrying this way isn't for everybody though. The 43 chambered for the 9x19 cartridge, along with its immediate predecessor the .380 caliber Model 42, were not the . This means that if the hammer is carried down on a live round, the firing pin will still not be able to touch the primer, even though the hammer is sitting right down on the pin. Daughter carries the 9. Not exactly. I always wanted to see in a western someone who knew he was about to get into a gunfight slip that 6th round into his Colt SAA. What I want then is a big bang noise when I pull the trigger, and not much else. In a prima facie, on-paper, in-theory sense, thats true. By all means, carry what you are competent to handle effectively and safely. Glock 23 Handgun. Next, there was some discussion about GLOCKs. This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. As for kids, had 3 daughters, all knew all weapons were loaded, all were shooting bb guns by 5, learned safety and marksmanship, and by ten, the oldest could out shoot me with the Smith 9mm semi, steel. Almost as good as a ball peen hammer. One or two chances to mess up with an empty chamber, but thousands (or hundreds of thousands) of chances to ventilate your own leg while taking a piss. So, there are at least 2 actions required to get a round to fire after removing it from a pocket. One could write an entire book about just the intricacies of revolver internals, but no one would buy it, now that most dont even know what revolvers are. You would probably be more likely to survive in a Banzai charge. People who ride a motorcycle to work know damn well their chances of being seriously hurt in an accident is astronomically higher than driving a Pick up truck to work. Beyond being "The Original" Glock, which won the company favor with the Austrians then the world, the Glock G17 is arguably the most popular Glock pistol model on the planet.. Now, to rein in this trip into the weeds. In meantime, happy to train Israeli carry and take the tragedy buffer. Theyre both safe and useful within their own parameters, and people are free to choose the one they prefer. Are Glock Pistols Safe? - YouTube Some people were never meant to have a handgun I suppose. Big Bill: Yup. You've only seen one page. These arent exactly the most concealable guns out there. What you are overlooking is the odds. . Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. 8 Modern Pocket Carry Pistols for under $600 | OutdoorHub Concealed Carry Corner: Top 4 Carry Myths to Avoid - The Firearm Blog I learned to drive on the streets of San Francisco with a van as a teenager when my mom wanted me to drive her around. Is it safe to carry a GLOCK with a round in the chamber? G44 - Glock 44 - 22lr The claim is that because Glocks have no safety and a super light trigger, they accidentally shoot people. Heres a link to it. . Then you have the big, scary, single-action magnums by IWI (the BFR) Freedom Arms and custom guns from Jeff Linebaugh. As in mentally deranged. This has nothing to do with car=privilege firearm=right. Nice catch. Of course my Smith .38 has EVERY chamber with a round in it. Does the Glock fire then? Glock is known for its proprietary barrel design which is said to provide a better seal between the bullet and barrel, allowing less propellant gas leakage and less bullet deformation. Many revolvers also changed; whereas the firing pin was once integrated with the hammer . So you think youre perfect look in the mirror clown I am not trying to get an A here I really wonder if you can shoot at all like getting rounds on the target I think I hurt your feelings again wha what wha. Carrying On An Empty Chamber. Ever have your computer go slow for a second, but then it opens two(or more) of whatever you clicked on? However, with an unchambered semi-auto, that may be a more credible concern. To chamber or not to chamber? And so it is when carrying a Glock as well. Go peddle your homosexual fantasies elsewhere. Youd figure Colt would have gotten with the program by now and made the SAA with a transfer bar. When it didnt open the first time, your brain clicked again to make sure, often without one even knowing they did so. Two motions will always be quicker than four, unless one can somehow arrange to do all four simultaneously. Belittle all you like, there is only one gun in my house which I will not keep around fully loaded, and that is my one Glock. It prevents the trigger from being manipulated unless a finger is pressing on it. It will go off. Each new design improved the handgun and its features. He also runs his own Gun Blog and YouTube Channel. If I have to carry a compact, its a DA only with no safety or one with the safety off. Some militaries wanted to normalize carrying a pistol or rifle with a loaded chamber for obvious reasons, but they ran into some of these same issues on old guns. Situational risk assessment. It's a little bullet with a decent velocity, but will it actually fill the freezer? Not the first time I have seen you feed the gun grabbers agenda either. If my shooting was up to par with my driving Id be like Lena Miculek. The stone cold killer blows a hole in the braggarts forehead and his buddies stand there with their jaws agape while he starts shooting them. Keep your finger off of it and your should be good to go. For 1911s, the danger is similar if you carry hammer down on a loaded chamber though I dont know why any somewhat intelligent person would do so. I assume it had something to do with its mechanics. I lost a whitetail in heavy cover to the click when the safety is released. That was back in the 1970s somewhere. Many people have said, "A Glock doesn't have a safety." In this video, Dustin Winegar demonstrates that the Glock pistol design is actually one of the safest. Is it Safe to Appendix Carry a Glock? - Incognito Concealment Notice if the trigger is ever depressed. There is one thing very different between handling a car and handling a weapon a 4000 pound vehicle traveling at 62mph carries over half a million foot pound of energy vs ~350ft/lbs out of your little 9mm or .45 pea shooter. I used one of those saf-t blocks that can be pushed out of the trigger real easy. Dont you dare break the three rules of safe gun handling. The innovative design of the hybrid steel-polymer slide chambered in our first .22 caliber round provides a lightweight and low recoil functionality for optimal control. The engineer who designed a take down system whereby the slide has to be forward and you have to pull the trigger must have on that day tripped out on LSD. Its your right to be retarded. Theoretically, the slide safety could be accidentally disengaged in your holster rendering a cocked and locked 1911 significantly more susceptible to a ND when drawn given the user didnt know the safety was disengaged. I didnt mention this stuff because in the original post because the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense or self-defense gun is likely negligible. I could give you many other identical examples of Glocks going off while the owner wore them or handled them. And in my opinion , and this would be scary, Id bet my draw and cock against the draw rack the slide anytime. You are not going to change my mind. An old retired civil servant who used to clean toilets in a federal building living off a small pension and social security. Two is one, one is none. Quick easy to access and small enough for the P365, a spare magazine, and a small 300 Lumen Tac Light. SOME of these guns (Ruger, Rough Rider, IWI, Freedom Arms, Linebaugh) have transfer bar safeties and thus can be carried fully loaded. All terrific replies. If you are so uncomfortable with a Glock as a fully loaded and chambered self defense gun, why do you own one? They DID make a variant with one (the Colt Cowboy) but they dont offer it anymore and the SAA is sold sans transfer bar. Someone who wants to spend a couple thou on a gun should be more than willing to put the energy into learning how to use it safely. they took it so far, they had Glock make a special model Glock for them with a slightly stouter trigger spring. Do you carry with one in the chamber or not? : r/CCW But the real benefit is in the noise. People that just cant accept what someone else wants to do compared to what they feel is best for them smacks of their insecurity. Glock handguns are extremely personalized, and gun owners have the choice to change out sights and sets off. Dave: And the 1911 series 80 fits into that category. An insignificant cretin crying for attention in a world that has left him far, far behind. I still counted 16, but when he starts fanning it gets a little hard to keep track. On a range or match gun, OFC, my choice is different. Unchambered carry is a bad idea because: 1 - 20 of 30 Posts. There are no Glock negligent discharges *without* the word *negligent* in the incident description. Especially in a stressful situation. So lets just say its a personal choice and your way isnt better than mine, but I will never accidently shoot my leg or foot. Do u carry an AR all day too? Picture if I was to just strike a primer laying on a hard surface, with a hand held hammer, manually. Just do what you are comfortable/confident with and what is best for your individual personal situation. I once had a grim laugh when one Jethro Bodine (after emerging from his out house) told me he bought a Glock because he could not stand the worry of carrying his 1911 cocked and locked. Repeatedly doing the same thing is training, because it becomes habit. Carrying A Glock With One In The Chamber. It made me feel extremely uncomfortable. If you cant respect the power and danger of an automobile why would you think you could be trusted with a firearm at all let alone one without a safety? I also like the guy getting thrown across the ally when he gets hit with both barrels of the shotgun through those 3/4 boards, but even better is when the same happens from a .45 Colt round. And my Ruger .357. Some of the biggest mistakes happen when training at sex. The pistol was designed to be carried with a round in the chamber with the safety on or off as your choice. Fuck off gov. Want to vent about something? Have you ever negligently failed to check your blind spot and cut someone off on the freeway? Because they have no external safety, Glocks are quicker to draw and fire. I have no problem carrying chambered but around the house or at the park I do not. Well saving room for some ice cream after dinner is a bit higher on my list than any damn LDL or HDL mumbo jumbo. How To Train If You Don't Carry With A Round In The Chamber The Glock is a semi-automatic pistol that was originally designed by an Austrian manufacturer called Glock Ges.m.b.H in 1982. If you have a modern weapon in a holster that covers the trigger, you are in pretty good shape. Is A Glock Safe To Carry Chambered. It seems that as long as the trigger is not manipulated the pistol will not fire. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[336,280],'guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-2','ezslot_5',119,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-2-0');The danger comes from dangerous gun handling and not following safe gun handling rules. Wouldnt it be actually quicker to rack the slide than to retrieve your weapon from a locked box? Practice your procedure till it becomes a natural reaction without thinking.You will have other things that must be accessed in those fractions of a second. Theres simply no point in carrying an unloaded gun. As I commented after the previous article, carry so that all you have to do is draw and pull the trigger. While I agree its better to have a round in the chamber, I dont, not at the moment. Just saying. The most common objection was something is better than nothing (or words to that effect). Im not interested in Israeli carry of a firearm. A un-chambered carry gun is useless. I now have a Walther P99 (OK, Im a Walther fan). I just grabbed a shirt from the laundry pile. All I get is replies that they are working on it. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,250],'guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-1','ezslot_3',116,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-1-0');Still, I keep hearing how unsafe Glocks are, from people who have never handled one and essentially know nothing about handguns in general. If the trigger safety is not depressed, the trigger will not move rearwards and allow the pistol to fire. It has good stopping power and it only slightly has more recoil . Too big, to heavy although I can cock the hammer on the draw with no problem (passive firing pin models). The LC9s can not be fired in any other way accidently unless the trigger is deliberately pulled. The anti-GLOCK crowd and they are nothing if not noisy also raised the objection that since a striker-fired pistol is so easy to discharge (a simple pull of a relatively light trigger) then its inherently dangerous to have those guns in a home with small children. Are you my mother? If the pin has enough mass, it will fire the round, chambered or not, hammer blocked or not, trigger pulled or not, out-of-battery safeties, etc. Introducing an unchambered firearm means you only have one hand, at best, firmly gripping the pistol. I feel its foolish but its my thought. Always, recent training with Instructor who suggested to always carry chambered. I think five guns is the bare minimum, and thats how I always answer the one gun question. Its part of being human. All that said, training, knowledge of your firearms design/function, and practice go a long way to make any firearm safe to carry with a round chambered though some designs are better for a particular purpose. Say, if you can make that mistake (and you did), are you willing to admit that maybe, just possibly, youve mad other mistakes? I carry one in the chamber of my ruger P89 with 17 rounds in the magazine. I suggest a CZ 75 D PCR, in 9mm. Nor with his next, more significant error, suggesting that floating or inertial firing pin guns (like a 1911) ARE drop safe with a round in the chamber, even though all such firearms with a round in the chamber WILL fire if dropped on their muzzle? 2 you may forget to chamber Momentum and all. A GLOCK does not have an external manual safety. I can see no valid reason to carry a modern weapon in condition 3 as long as youre observant and safety conscious when holstering/re-holstering your weapon. Note the flat(ish) hammer. Glock then redesigned the weapon as a striker fired weapon because they knew the average low I.Q. He thinks one big long post thats all one sentence is not a mistake. (I dont think any of us are going to try to pocket carry a 1911 or a Glock 17.). We do all make mistakes. Like: condition 2 (good choice for a DA/SA autoloader), condition 1 (if your chosen piece has a manual safety), and etc. Glock 26: Everything to Know About the Ultra-Concealable 'Baby Glock' Agreement. Most learn it in the third grade, so how scary hard can it be? For those of you that don't know, "Israeli Carry" is the practice carrying a pistol without a round in the chamber. about carrying or keeping a gun with a round in the chamber. Back in the old days of guns, they didnt really have any safety at all. You could also chamber a snap cap, holster it, do your daily routine around the house and then check if trigger was pulled. Why, I havent the slightest idea. We were assured that; were working on it. They are all single-action guns even if the marketing guys play games saying they are 1.5-action or whatever. She now after many painful operations will be a partial cripple for the rest of her life. Pull back the hammer, you notice how it clicks 4 times? A forum community dedicated to Glock Pistol owners and enthusiasts. First a 5906, then a PPK/S for 20 years. this aint 1902 with a Colt .38 Long primitive revolver and you probably aint riding a horse in pursuit of cattle thieves. Do you carry your Glock with a chambered round or not? "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Several years ago I read an article (I think it was Masaad Ayoob) detailing about a half dozen cases were cops had their guns taken away from them by perps and the perps couldnt figure out how to manipulate the safeties, saving the cops lives. I forget just how stupid people like you really are your response is so childish and you carry guns I hope you dont blow your face off looking down the end with six letters grow up. For my "duty firearm", I carry a Glock Mod 22 Gen 4 (.40 S&W cal.). Whatever stage you carry your weapon at be consistent. Glocks, Sig Sauer, Smith and Wesson, Barretta, and many other makes are safe to carry chambered, They have . How Can The Ruger LCP II Be Safe To Carry? - Community for Kel-Tec Shooters Theres a problem with absolutism: youre proven wrong too easily. On TTAG anyone can use any name at any time, and that makes it really confusing. But that would be true for almost ANY gun that didnt have a manual safety engaged. There is an old article in the LA Times and National Intrest that claims Glocks are accident-prone and overly dangerous pistols. Cruiser ready generally refers to a gun that has a loaded magazine but an empty chamber. It was a girl participating in a shooting contest. which for them is unwise because it feels utterly unsafe to do so Training is nothing more than repetition. To each their own, and god speed, The first gunm I packed was a SA .22 with a half cock safety and I loaded all the holes, then I went DA but cocked it most of the time.so I got in a habit of cocking the hammers Then I went to auto pistols and just never did trust that hammer sticking up so I carry them with one in the chamber on half cock. I dont know how high Id have to go to get it to ignite, but I figure Im never going to carry my piece 8+ off the floor, (seeing as how thats the height of most ceilings). Shorten that to GLOCKTOPIA! I doubt it. Wonder why guns are the most logical option? Dry fire and have a friend rush you with a fake knife. Is it safe to carry a Glock with a round in the chamber? - Quora Its kind of unneeded though, because inertial firing pins can only build firing inertia on their own if the whole gun accelerates, and then stops suddenly. 4 under extreme stress you may short stroke it. Did dad work for a local Florida PD not to be named? That being said, I also carry a M&P 9mm with one in the chamber. Unlikely. Empty chamber is one option, but there are others. The 1911 has a grip safety as well as a thumb safety. At Incognito Concealment, we're confident we have the right holster for you. Passive safeties Are Not A Replacement for an active safety. If thats a problem, dont carry a firearm. Victoria: I did find a workaround though. Yes. JavaScript is disabled. FNS9-C. You have to train how you'll fight and fight how you train. And so easy to correct. I cant believe this is even a subject for discussion. Never mind the others. Im a mommy-frelling ballerina with a pickem up truck towing. The G44 was thoroughly tested with a wide variety of ammunition to ensure maximum performance and . Folks need to do what they are comfortable with though. I have pocket carried for years, mostly using a clip such as a clip draw on my SIG 938, hammer down, safety on, round chambered. Carry chambered? | Glock Talk So in 2019, are you telling a revolver carrier to carry only 4 bullets instead of five?? Mr. Hoober, the only quibble I have with this article is the assumption that people only have a (as in singular) home defense gun. Empty chamber carry is dumb.
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